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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentoothpaste.com/2008/05/09/review-the-story-of-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-51618</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jul 2011 02:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really want to thank you for what I feel was a fair review.  It&#039;s so hard to find someone that doesn&#039;t scream out their views for one side or the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really want to thank you for what I feel was a fair review.  It&#8217;s so hard to find someone that doesn&#8217;t scream out their views for one side or the other.</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentoothpaste.com/2008/05/09/review-the-story-of-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-19202</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:01:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refuting (or defending) broad generalizations is a fool&#039;s task. And indeed what I disliked about the video was pretty much exactly that: the entire thing consists of broad generalizations that are basically unsubstantiated, inaccurate, and insulting. 

If indeed the video sold itself as describing the worst of all possibilities, as you say it does, I could take some of the ugly generalizations. But it sells the worst as the norm and says nothing of any players trying to do it better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refuting (or defending) broad generalizations is a fool&#8217;s task. And indeed what I disliked about the video was pretty much exactly that: the entire thing consists of broad generalizations that are basically unsubstantiated, inaccurate, and insulting. </p>
<p>If indeed the video sold itself as describing the worst of all possibilities, as you say it does, I could take some of the ugly generalizations. But it sells the worst as the norm and says nothing of any players trying to do it better.</p>
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		<title>By: Will Merydith</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentoothpaste.com/2008/05/09/review-the-story-of-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-19199</link>
		<dc:creator>Will Merydith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m confused.  It&#039;s clear you don&#039;t like the video, but what about it is untrue?

You agree that some business and corporations are as described.  The point of the video isn&#039;t to describe every behavior in the system, it&#039;s to point out the worst behavior in the system.  i.e., many of the cheap foreign goods you find at a Walmart (insert your chain store of choice).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m confused.  It&#8217;s clear you don&#8217;t like the video, but what about it is untrue?</p>
<p>You agree that some business and corporations are as described.  The point of the video isn&#8217;t to describe every behavior in the system, it&#8217;s to point out the worst behavior in the system.  i.e., many of the cheap foreign goods you find at a Walmart (insert your chain store of choice).</p>
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		<title>By: Han Auction</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentoothpaste.com/2008/05/09/review-the-story-of-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-12234</link>
		<dc:creator>Han Auction</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 05:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, 

I watched it all, and feel insulted by the statements that she has made.

I suggest everyone to watch the :  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5uJgG05xUY

To understand how ridiculous her videos are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, </p>
<p>I watched it all, and feel insulted by the statements that she has made.</p>
<p>I suggest everyone to watch the :  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5uJgG05xUY" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5uJgG05xUY</a></p>
<p>To understand how ridiculous her videos are.</p>
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		<title>By: chiapet_richard</title>
		<link>http://www.frozentoothpaste.com/2008/05/09/review-the-story-of-stuff/comment-page-1/#comment-11705</link>
		<dc:creator>chiapet_richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 22:39:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It just worries me that videos like this are making their way into classrooms, aimed at kids who, may be, the most vulnerable to this video. I know we shouldn&#039;t buy so much, but this anti-consumerism video is just another checkmark on the liberalist&#039;s agenda. I have just started getting into politics and I never realized how biased the media is. I&#039;d like to hear Glenn Beck&#039;s response to this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It just worries me that videos like this are making their way into classrooms, aimed at kids who, may be, the most vulnerable to this video. I know we shouldn&#8217;t buy so much, but this anti-consumerism video is just another checkmark on the liberalist&#8217;s agenda. I have just started getting into politics and I never realized how biased the media is. I&#8217;d like to hear Glenn Beck&#8217;s response to this.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 00:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David nice link to the other review. by &quot;the other side&quot; I mean thing like...

Did you know that in the US, there are farmers who grow trees for pulp to make paper with... I think they harvest the trees every 6-7 years.  IN simple terms they have seven fields, I believe they grow cottonwood trees, which grow like weeds.  Each year they would harvest a field and plant a new one.  

In my book this makes TREES FOR PAPER a renewable resource.  When you buy paper that is RECYCLED you think you&#039;re doing a good thing, however I&#039;ve heard that it takes a bunch more  energy and water to recycle paper than it does to make new paper from renewable resources (trees).  If we buy recycled paper in the US, we think we&#039;re being &quot;green&quot; but aren&#039;t we really  taking away jobs and money from the US? If these farmer&#039;s can&#039;t sell their trees, they will not plant more and there will be less trees which convert CO2 into oxygen thereby cleaning our air.

So, facts can be presented selectively which happens in politics, and in environmental concerns.   It&#039;s always good to be a detective and look for opposing opinions on anything in forming your own opinion. (in my opinion.. lol) 

Adam N / Phoenix AZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David nice link to the other review. by &#8220;the other side&#8221; I mean thing like&#8230;</p>
<p>Did you know that in the US, there are farmers who grow trees for pulp to make paper with&#8230; I think they harvest the trees every 6-7 years.  IN simple terms they have seven fields, I believe they grow cottonwood trees, which grow like weeds.  Each year they would harvest a field and plant a new one.  </p>
<p>In my book this makes TREES FOR PAPER a renewable resource.  When you buy paper that is RECYCLED you think you&#8217;re doing a good thing, however I&#8217;ve heard that it takes a bunch more  energy and water to recycle paper than it does to make new paper from renewable resources (trees).  If we buy recycled paper in the US, we think we&#8217;re being &#8220;green&#8221; but aren&#8217;t we really  taking away jobs and money from the US? If these farmer&#8217;s can&#8217;t sell their trees, they will not plant more and there will be less trees which convert CO2 into oxygen thereby cleaning our air.</p>
<p>So, facts can be presented selectively which happens in politics, and in environmental concerns.   It&#8217;s always good to be a detective and look for opposing opinions on anything in forming your own opinion. (in my opinion.. lol) </p>
<p>Adam N / Phoenix AZ</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 03:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Adam N.
I&#039;m not sure what you mean by &quot;the other side.&quot;

@Adam Lehman
I don&#039;t think &lt;em&gt;The Story of Stuff&lt;/em&gt; is untruthful; I think it&#039;s tone is inappropriate to the goal that I perceive it as having. I may not have expressed it as clearly as I could have, but it&#039;s not factual errors that are turning me off. It&#039;s the &quot;the world is in peril and you&#039;re a helpless automaton&quot; way it which it is conveyed.

That said, I just did a quick search and found at least &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.andybrain.com/qna/2007/12/07/annie-leonards-the-story-of-stuff-review-and-analysis/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;one person who decided to give the video a fact-checking&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Adam N.<br />
I&#8217;m not sure what you mean by &#8220;the other side.&#8221;</p>
<p>@Adam Lehman<br />
I don&#8217;t think <em>The Story of Stuff</em> is untruthful; I think it&#8217;s tone is inappropriate to the goal that I perceive it as having. I may not have expressed it as clearly as I could have, but it&#8217;s not factual errors that are turning me off. It&#8217;s the &#8220;the world is in peril and you&#8217;re a helpless automaton&#8221; way it which it is conveyed.</p>
<p>That said, I just did a quick search and found at least <a href="http://www.andybrain.com/qna/2007/12/07/annie-leonards-the-story-of-stuff-review-and-analysis/" rel="nofollow">one person who decided to give the video a fact-checking</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Lehman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Lehman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see how any of your comments lead to the idea that &quot;story of stuff&quot; is wrong. Sure, you may not like it. That is not the point. Do you think it is mostly truthful?

If it is false, then don&#039;t worry about it.
If it is true, then the responsibility to respond lies on your shoulders. 

I do agree that the environmental movement ought to refrain from &quot;guilt-tripping&quot; instead, it ought to accept reality and work from there. Show people the benefits of considering the environmental impact of the things humanity chooses to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see how any of your comments lead to the idea that &#8220;story of stuff&#8221; is wrong. Sure, you may not like it. That is not the point. Do you think it is mostly truthful?</p>
<p>If it is false, then don&#8217;t worry about it.<br />
If it is true, then the responsibility to respond lies on your shoulders. </p>
<p>I do agree that the environmental movement ought to refrain from &#8220;guilt-tripping&#8221; instead, it ought to accept reality and work from there. Show people the benefits of considering the environmental impact of the things humanity chooses to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW, nice review.  A friend emailed me the link to her website and I did have a problem with some of the broad and general statments.  Many of them, I&#039;d have to watch it over to make a list.

Some good points are learning to be content with what you have,  and being a wise shopper.  The more you are aware of marketing the easier it is to identify being sucked in.  (like skinny shoes vs wide shoes) 

Annie talks about computers just needing a new chip to be better, if you&#039;re a geek you CAN upgrade your PC (oops, are you guys all mac...lol) however when chipsets and memory change, it&#039;s usually becuase there is a function on the new chip or something where the bus can talk to something else faster.  (although they probably do change some things to make you upgrade)

She talks about her co-worker getting a new LCD, and then she feels silly for having a not as new tube monitor... WELL, if you want to get &quot;earth friendly&quot; then it would make sense to GET an LCD, as it uses much less energy, lasts longer, and heats up your house / office less. 

Anyway, good review, are there other links talking about the other side?

Adam Nollmeyer / AcmePhoto</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW, nice review.  A friend emailed me the link to her website and I did have a problem with some of the broad and general statments.  Many of them, I&#8217;d have to watch it over to make a list.</p>
<p>Some good points are learning to be content with what you have,  and being a wise shopper.  The more you are aware of marketing the easier it is to identify being sucked in.  (like skinny shoes vs wide shoes) </p>
<p>Annie talks about computers just needing a new chip to be better, if you&#8217;re a geek you CAN upgrade your PC (oops, are you guys all mac&#8230;lol) however when chipsets and memory change, it&#8217;s usually becuase there is a function on the new chip or something where the bus can talk to something else faster.  (although they probably do change some things to make you upgrade)</p>
<p>She talks about her co-worker getting a new LCD, and then she feels silly for having a not as new tube monitor&#8230; WELL, if you want to get &#8220;earth friendly&#8221; then it would make sense to GET an LCD, as it uses much less energy, lasts longer, and heats up your house / office less. </p>
<p>Anyway, good review, are there other links talking about the other side?</p>
<p>Adam Nollmeyer / AcmePhoto</p>
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